I have 3 zone system, EWC BMPlus 3000 control panel, Amana 2 stage NG furnace with 2 stage A/C unit with variable speed air handler unit. My contractor used single stage thermostats (White Rodgers 1F800261) for all 3 zones. The system does not seem to make use of the 2 stage systems in either heat or cooling. When I inquired about why 2 stage ComfortNet thermostats were not installed/used as quoted, I was told could not use 2 stage thermostat with a Zoned System. Contractor has spent several hours adjusting DIP Switches on units and panel in order to balance the system and control air handler from going to 100% speed.
I have taken the time to read through both Amana insulation manual and EWC manual left by the contractor; from which I understand there is reason two stage thermostats could not be used with the above EWC 3000 system? In fact, I can not see how I am going to get the full benefit of my investment in upgraded system with out the use of two stage thermostats? After reading other EWC customers questions about compatable thermostats; I do not see the WR model 261 listed as compatable thermostat (do see WR 361 listed). I do not want to demand my contractor to install a thermostat which is compatable for use on my system.
Can you tell me if the WF 261 model is okay for use (even if not two stage control)?
What about the Amana suggested ComfortNet Control System - will it operate correctly with EWC 3000 system?
Thank you
Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
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Pcyrana
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
The BMPlus3000 zone panel will only accept inputs from single stage thermostats.
There is no W2 or Y2 inputs on the thermostat terminal block.
The staging takes place through the on board timer which is adjustable anywhere between 7 and 42 minutes.
When your initial call for heat is placed the timer will start and after the timer has expired it will energize your second stage of heat.
The WF-261 will work fine with our zone panels.
As far as the Comfortnet Control System, based on what I've seen it will work when set up for standard 24v output.
There is no W2 or Y2 inputs on the thermostat terminal block.
The staging takes place through the on board timer which is adjustable anywhere between 7 and 42 minutes.
When your initial call for heat is placed the timer will start and after the timer has expired it will energize your second stage of heat.
The WF-261 will work fine with our zone panels.
As far as the Comfortnet Control System, based on what I've seen it will work when set up for standard 24v output.
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
Would there be notiable improvement over my current BMPlus 3000 panel with 3 zone system over the new UT-3000 panel?? From what I read, it seems to me UT-3000 would give more confort by controlling my Amana 2 stage heat-A/C system and make most use of electronics available? The UT-3000 (if I understand correctly) controls fan speeds to avoid high back pressure in zones - which is my displeasure with my new system. Contractor installed a return on of small zones because the pressure was so high it was blowing duct tape off and sounded like a jet engine when A/C was on.
I still not total convinced my contractor has my system set correctly - is there a listing of EWC contractors in my area of New Orleans I can get an second opinion on how my system is setup?
Thank you
I still not total convinced my contractor has my system set correctly - is there a listing of EWC contractors in my area of New Orleans I can get an second opinion on how my system is setup?
Thank you
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Pcyrana
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
If your Amana Unit is a communicating piece of equipment then yes, it could benefit from the UT-3000 zone panel.
I will attach a document containing information regarding the UT-3000. I do not have a list of contractors in your area that are familiar with our product. However, what i can do is give you the numbers of some of the distributors in New Orleans that carry our product and you can ask them to recommend a contractor who is familiar with our product.
1. Flick Distributing - 504-733-7122
2. Carrier South Central - 318-234-1809
3. Jackson Supply - 504-733-4696
I will attach a document containing information regarding the UT-3000. I do not have a list of contractors in your area that are familiar with our product. However, what i can do is give you the numbers of some of the distributors in New Orleans that carry our product and you can ask them to recommend a contractor who is familiar with our product.
1. Flick Distributing - 504-733-7122
2. Carrier South Central - 318-234-1809
3. Jackson Supply - 504-733-4696
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Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
I did not see UT-3000 price listed on the download - What is the comsumer price and can I purchase from EWC directly and install?
From you positive reply - I take the additional investment to upgrade to UT-3000 over my BMPlus 3000 (my Amana units have communication abillity) would greatly increase my satifaction of controls in m 3 zone system? I hate to throw money at the problem, but to be fair with my contractor, it does not seem the UT-3000 unit was available in May/June 2011 when my house was build. I ask EWC because everything I read, EWC is committed to customers satifaction with your systems. I did require my contractor to use EWC due in my project.
I invested in my HVAC in order to recieve the greatest comfort and savings. (EWC Zoning, 2 stage heat/ac, and 18 SEER) I want to ensure it delivers.
Thank you
From you positive reply - I take the additional investment to upgrade to UT-3000 over my BMPlus 3000 (my Amana units have communication abillity) would greatly increase my satifaction of controls in m 3 zone system? I hate to throw money at the problem, but to be fair with my contractor, it does not seem the UT-3000 unit was available in May/June 2011 when my house was build. I ask EWC because everything I read, EWC is committed to customers satifaction with your systems. I did require my contractor to use EWC due in my project.
I invested in my HVAC in order to recieve the greatest comfort and savings. (EWC Zoning, 2 stage heat/ac, and 18 SEER) I want to ensure it delivers.
Thank you
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Pcyrana
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
Unfortunately we do not sell our products directly to the end users or even contractors.
We only sell to wholesale distributors.
You can try those distributors I have suggested in the previous post.
The list price on the UT-3000 is $680.00.
I would have to agree that if you do have communicating equipment, to get the most out of that equipment it would be beneficial to install a communicating zone panel.
If you need any more information or have any questions on the communicating panel give us a call.
We only sell to wholesale distributors.
You can try those distributors I have suggested in the previous post.
The list price on the UT-3000 is $680.00.
I would have to agree that if you do have communicating equipment, to get the most out of that equipment it would be beneficial to install a communicating zone panel.
If you need any more information or have any questions on the communicating panel give us a call.
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
were you able to find out if the ut 3000 was able to work with your existing unit? I am in the process of working on the plans for my ac unit at my new house and do plan on installing the amana 16 seer system with the comfort talk system. Was just curious if the system did work out for you and how well it did work. Thanks
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Pcyrana
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
Yes the UT-3000 is compatible with the Amana Comfortnet Equipment.
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
Contractor brought out two engineers to check complete insulation and setup; found jumper wire between Y1 & Y2 on EWC panel, which was driving air handler into high cool and high blower speed 30 seconds into cool cycle. Engineer also adjusted DIP switches on air handler to cut down CFM in stage 1 cooling. Unit is working much better. We will monitor and evalutate changes to see if UT-3000 panel is needed.
After they left I noticed unit would not go into Stage 2 cooling unless all 3 zones was calling for cooling. I thought 2 zones would meet the 50% switch rule - but it would not - I waited for over 30 minutes with 2 zones calling for 5 degree change. I switched 50% switch to off - Stage 2 cool and/or heat will come on in per timer switch of 15 minutes with any one zone calling - much better!
The only cycle not seeming to be working properly is in Heat Cycle cool down. About 30 seconds after burner shuts down, all 3 zones opens but air handler continues to run at 50% level for about 45 to 60 seconds more. The air is still warm which causes heat to be pushed into other 2 zones. With this heat and fact heat rises to upper level; causes second floor (zone 2) to be 3-5 degrees hoter than setting. We run zone 2 in cooling due to additional heat pushing into this zone. I am assuming the air handler cool down and EWC zone cool down are not in syc?
After they left I noticed unit would not go into Stage 2 cooling unless all 3 zones was calling for cooling. I thought 2 zones would meet the 50% switch rule - but it would not - I waited for over 30 minutes with 2 zones calling for 5 degree change. I switched 50% switch to off - Stage 2 cool and/or heat will come on in per timer switch of 15 minutes with any one zone calling - much better!
The only cycle not seeming to be working properly is in Heat Cycle cool down. About 30 seconds after burner shuts down, all 3 zones opens but air handler continues to run at 50% level for about 45 to 60 seconds more. The air is still warm which causes heat to be pushed into other 2 zones. With this heat and fact heat rises to upper level; causes second floor (zone 2) to be 3-5 degrees hoter than setting. We run zone 2 in cooling due to additional heat pushing into this zone. I am assuming the air handler cool down and EWC zone cool down are not in syc?
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Pcyrana
Re: Model BMPlus 3000 - Single Stage Thermostats
That would most likely be correct.
As soon as the board opens all of the zones at the end of the call are there any other lights lit on the zone panel besides the status light?
Whats probably occurring is that your equipment has its own post purge cycle that occurs at the end of a call for heat or cool.
To confirm this, I will need to know that light sequence.
As soon as the board opens all of the zones at the end of the call are there any other lights lit on the zone panel besides the status light?
Whats probably occurring is that your equipment has its own post purge cycle that occurs at the end of a call for heat or cool.
To confirm this, I will need to know that light sequence.